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Instead of an interview today is a mashup of two episodes of Spiraling, the podcast I co-host with Serena Wolf about mental health. We started in 2019 where I’d walk to her apartment once a week and we’d talk and eventually started recording our conversations around anxiety. It’s been 4 years and now we live on opposite coasts, but we still record our conversations. The first half is from the middle of the current season, where we discuss navigating different timelines and expectations both from ourselves and from society. I picked this episode because I got messages from people saying it was comforting to hear where I am with being a single person navigating a freelance career so, even though it makes me cringe a little, I’m sharing it here too. The format of Spiraling is that Serena and I both share our “spirals” for the week, try to help each other talk through them, then discuss a topic: the one you’re about to hear is on comparison, money, the decision to have kids, and aging. All of this sounds real hea

This week on the program is artist Anna Fusco, who you might know as Lord Cowboy. Anna works across drawing, writing, and digital illustration. She’s done some big drawings, has a really cool poster and print shop, and writes a reader-supported newsletter called "Unsupervised" that is read by thousands of people each month, including me. She currently lives on the central coast of California and we caught up over zoom a few weeks ago. We discussed everything from over-processing experiences, care vs. worry, the accountability that comes from living in community, to how she met “Lord Cowboy” and ended up living where she is now.   Anna and I connected after my friend Christine sent me one of her posters. It is one that I especially loved because it articulated something we all crave in some degree: connection and community. I’m far from the only person who resonated with the poster and in this Anna shared where she was when she wrote the words. Anna is so special and I loved speaking with her as much as I love

Keke Palmer has questions for days, about everything under the sun. From the existential to the inconsequential. From pop culture to pop science. From the meaning of life to the meaning of W.A.P. From life in outer space to “Where the eff is Tom from MySpace?" And everything in between. Because Baby, this is Keke Palmer, and she is here for All. Of. It. Each week, the multi-talented Keke is taking you on a journey down the rabbit hole on a topic that she cannot stop obsessing over. She’ll also get deep with special guests, trying to answer the questions that keep us up at night. We are getting INTO IT. Listen to Baby, this is Keke Palmer Only on Amazon Music: www.amazon.com/BTIKP_us_pfd_AA_110122

This week I spoke with singer-songwriter Leona Naess who recently released an album titled Brood X after a family of periodic cicadas that, like her, reemerged in 2022 after 17 years underground. In the years since she released her last album in 2004, Naess had lived her own life “underground”— nesting, becoming a mom, and moving through the grief of losing both parents. Released in 2021, Brood X has themes of reemergence and rediscovery. In this conversation we talk about how she got into the music industry young with her hit song Charm Attack, the music industry in the 90s, processing grief, being cool vs. warm, and more. Show notes:-It's not to late to join IN PROCESS -- find out more and sign up here!-Find Leona on the Web | Instagram-Read this Harper's Bazaar article on Leona-Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox-Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout If you liked this episode, try out:Episode 404: Musician Courtney Marie Andrews on Chunk Writing &am

This week, I have a conversation with actress, director, and filmmaker Lynn Chen. You may know her from Grey's Anatomy or her breakout role in Saving Face. We talk about everything from rejection to eating disorder recovery to Felicity. Let me know if you listen. Show Notes:-It's not to late to join IN PROCESS -- find out more and sign up here!-Find Lynn on the Web | Instagram-Secrets of Feeding a Healthy Family by Ellyn Satter-Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox-Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout-Photo Credit: Eric Yang If you liked this episode, try out:Episodes 396 & 397: Slow Like Snails: Virgie Tovar Returns (Parts I & II) Sponsor:Sprout Living: get 20% off your order with code LETITOUT

This week I spoke to writer Nada Alic. She’s the author of Bad Thoughts and working on a forthcoming novel. We recorded in the height of a heatwave here in LA. I came over in the morning, left in the late afternoon. We hung out for an hour or two then recorded for nearly three more. I found listening to her comforting, so I’m breaking it into two parts. As you'll hear, she's incredibly intelligent and clearly creative, yet humble and so funny. She's one of those rare people who are as cool as they seem online, yet also so warm, inviting, and genuinely kind. In this second part, we take questions from some mutual friends, and she talks about her somewhat secret 3:00 ritual, her thoughts on comparisons to other artists, romantic relationships, meeting her husband, friendship, novel research wormholes, and more. In part one last week, we covered everything from our first communions and lingering Catholic guilt to shadow integration, how she ended up in LA, disembodiment, body image, and cancel culture. Be sure t

This week I spoke to writer Nada Alic. She’s the author of Bad Thoughts and working on a forthcoming novel. We recorded in the height of a heatwave here in LA and it all felt like a fever dream. I came over in the morning, left in the late afternoon. We hung out for an hour or two then recorded for nearly three more. I found listening to her comforting, so I’m breaking it into two parts. As you'll hear, she's incredibly intelligent and clearly creative, yet so humble and funny. She's one of those rare people who are as cool as they seem online, yet also so warm, inviting, and genuinely kind. In part one, we cover everything from our first communions and lingering Catholic guilt to thresholds and an archetype, called a “Puella” to how she ended up in LA to how she started writing and routines that help her continue to. We got into cancel culture, her creative approach to marketing her book, disembodiment, and much more. And in part two, we take questions from some mutual friends, her thoughts on comparisons to

This week is a conversation with style expert Stacy London. You might know her as the co-host of TLC’s iconic show, “What Not to Wear." Following that success, she’s gone on to host and executive produce, write books, and create a podcast. Last year, Stacy founded State of Menopause, a holistic line addressing the symptoms associated with menopause. And while it might seem like a twist, she’s doing what she has done her entire career as a stylist: helping people who are struggling feel better. She’s honestly so cool—we explored the connection between style, eating disorder recovery, and negative body image and also talked about career transitions. She gave me style advice and I loved speaking with her and I’m curious to know what you think, so let me know if you listen. Show Notes:-IN PROCESS Semester 4 starts October 20th--learn more & sign up here-Follow Stacy on Instagram-Check out State of Menopause-Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox-Follow @letitouttt on I

This week: musician Courtney Marie Andrews on songwriting, relationships, vulnerability, touring, making music videos, collaboration, and more. She started her career performing and busking up and down the West Coast; now, she’s toured all over and released several records, including 2020's GRAMMY-nominated Old Flowers. Her newest record, Loose Future, comes out in October. She also wrote a book of poems called Old Monarch. We talk about her writing process and the method she calls “chunk writing”.We both happen to be only children and latchkey kids who lived with our single mothers so we talk about that as well as our shared love of walking. Let us know if you listened and go see her on tour. Show Notes:-Find Courtney on the Web | Instagram-Pre-order her new album, Loose Future-IN PROCESS launches this October--learn more & sign up here-Subscribe to our newsletter to get show notes + essays, etc. sent to your inbox-Follow @letitouttt on Instagram. I'm @katiedalebout-Photo credit: Brett Warren If you like

Instead of the usual interview, this is a casual conversation I have with writer Maggie Harrison and Brian Stoothoff, co-founder and owner of the Brooklyn coffee shop Daughter. They each introduce themselves and explain how we met, cover creative process (including how crucial focus is to creativity), loving and leaving where you grew up, seasons and lacking them, and more. They are both founding members of the workshop I started in the fall of 2020--then called Creative Underdogs. It’s a place that encourages connection while making projects. They talk about what happened to them as a result of the group and I tell why I stopped hosting it so abruptly. For the three of us talking about foods we’ve eaten lately morphs into a deep dive into the minutiae of our palates and flavor preferences—from our love of smoked flavor to oatmeal. If you want learn more about any of what we talk about, it’s in the shownotes … or just email me: katie@letitouttt.com Show Notes:- Learn more about Creative Underdogs/In Process h

This week I have a conversation with award-winning storyteller and audio producer Megan Tan. You may know Megan (like I do) from her first audio series from 2014—a wildly successful documentary/memoir show with Radiotopia called Millennial. I’ve always admired her unique style of storytelling, and since Millennial she has gone on to produce shows and episodes for Gimlet Media’s The Habitat, TED, WNYC’s Radiolab,All Things Considered, Pineapple Street Media, and more. In 2020, Megan was named Producer of the Year by Adweek. An episode she made of the podcast WILD (which featured Megan’s personal story about love during the pandemic) is my favorite of her recent work, so we began this conversation talking about love and dating in the pandemic.  Then, we get into how her career has transitioned and talk about her most recent podcast, Snooze, a documentary-style show about tackling the things people put off – including something big that Megan’s been snoozing on herself. I love it—I listened to it all in one day

This week I spoke to my friend Carolina Mesarina. An artist with a background in production, she's currently in the midst of a career pivot, which we unpacked in this episode. After studying acting at NYU and attending grad school, she found herself on what she calls, "the other side of the call sheet": producing. We talk about her transitioning to a more creative role through the lens of Julia Cameron's term (from The Artist's Way): “Shadow Artist”. As a Creative Producer, Carolina now makes videos and visuals for brands and individuals to help them stand out. We met in New York and have collaborated creatively over the years. She’s so genuine, smart, and creative—and one of my close friends—making the episode unique. We've had many conversations about creativity, identity, money, support, feeling on the outside, procrastination, and career transitions—only this time we recorded our conversation. Show notes-Find Carolina on the Web | Instagram- Carolina was a guest on Creative Underdogs/In Process--here's a

When Emily Gellis hears rumors of people suffering horrible side effects from a trendy diet she springs into action. Armed with over a hundred thousand Instagram followers, Emily launches a social media crusade to expose F-Factor and its founder, Tanya Zuckerbrot. It’s the start of a feud that will attract trolls, lawyers, and, eventually, national media all because of fiber. From Wondery, this is a story about wealth, wellness, and influence hosted by Casey Wilson. Listen to Fed Up: http://wondery.fm/LIO_FEDUP

This week marks the 400th episode of this podcast. For this celebratory episode, I have a conversation with my friend and fellow podcast host Alyssa Benjamin. She’s a brand strategist who has worked with values-based brands from Eileen Fisher to Buffy on meaningful experiences and compelling content. Her podcast, Our Nature, explores the methods, systems and practices that bring us into greater alignment with the natural world.Alyssa and I tell the story of how we met in New York, collaborated on a project, and both ended up here on the west coast. We recorded this conversation in person and it covered finding what she calls “inner stability”, tolerating emotions, our relationship to nature, career pivots, creative process, naming projects, celebrating milestones, leaving New York, storytelling, unique aesthetics, connection, dating, romantic relationships, and more. Show Notes:- Find Alyssa on the Web | Instagram- Listen to Alyssa's podcast, Our Nature, on Apple Podcasts | Spotify- The Podcast Kit is 50% off

This week I spoke with Jennie Edgar, who has led (as she says) many lives, from starting a pie business to working as a freelance editorial and art director. Since 2018, Jennie has been writing and designing for thoughtful brands to refine their editorial voice and aesthetic expression. Additionally, she’s a visual artist and the founder of So Textual, a platform that promotes community around reading, so we talk about her style of reading and how that varies from her husband’s and mine, and how the way we read, as well as what we read, is unique to each of us. We also cover effect theory, book culture, and literary artists we love like Eve Babitz, Adrianne Lenker, her grandma, and Nora Ephron. She talks about looking at one’s life like a project and answers a question from our mutual friend Maddie on what it means to be a narrative-led person. I loved this wide-ranging conversation and am eager to hear what you think of it and how you read. Show Notes:- Follow Jennie on the Web | Instagram- Check out So Text

This week, I had a conversation with Jocelyn Kelly Reid. With 15 years of sales and marketing experience, she now helps women around money and finance in a unique way. She’s personally lost everything and built it back up and now she has the ability to help others do the same. She’s sensitive, sweet, and honest, as you’ll hear in this conversation. We talked about trauma, burnout, needing open space, working through financial blocks, her embodiment practice, the importance of directly communicating needs, how you can be addicted to a person, and much more. Jocelyn talks in depth about her background and upbringing where she felt different from those around her, recovering from an eating disorder, and feeling “too much”. This episode also features my lovely conversation with midwestern mattress maker and father of five Tim Masters, founder of My Green Mattress. I genuinely loved speaking with Tim as much as he loves making mattresses for people. He talks about taking over a mattress business when he was young,

This week’s conversation is with Virgie Tovar: author, activist and one of the nation's leading experts on weight-based discrimination and body image. She holds a Master's degree in Sexuality Studies with a focus on the intersections of body size, race and gender. She is a contributor for Forbes and she’s written several books. Her podcast, Rebel Eaters Club, is now in Season 3 and is Transmitter Media's first original production. Virgie has been featured by the New York Times, BBC, MTV, Al Jazeera, NPR, and many more. Part 2 features the end of our over-two-hour Zoom conversation as well as clips from previous conversations and a special guest, our mutual friend Isabel Foxen Duke.If you missed Part 1 last week, be sure to tune in: Virgie and I cover dressing rooms, letting go of a normative timeline, control, markers of success, happiness research, and more. Show Notes:- Follow Virgie on the Web | Instagram- Check out Virgie's Books | Podcast: Rebel Eaters Club- Take the friendship breakup survey from me and

This week’s conversation is with Virgie Tovar: author, activist and one of the nation's leading experts on weight-based discrimination and body image. She holds a Master's degree in Sexuality Studies with a focus on the intersections of body size, race and gender. She is a contributor for Forbes and she’s written several books. Her podcast, Rebel Eaters Club, is now in Season 3 and is Transmitter Media's first original production. Virgie has been featured by the New York Times, BBC, MTV, Al Jazeera, NPR, and many more. We met a few years ago through our mutual friend Isabel Foxen Duke and I’m lucky to call her a friend. This is her second appearance on the podcast. We recorded a conversation last summer and I’ve been eager to talk to her again ever since. We talked over Zoom for two hours and our conversation covered dressing rooms, letting go of a normative timeline, control, markers of success, happiness research, and more. Show Notes:- Follow Virgie on the Web | Instagram- Check out Virgie's Books | Podcas

This week I spoke to Brendan Francis Newnam, the former longtime host of The Dinner Party Download, who went on to create and executive produce The Paris Review Podcast. He is the author of the book Brunch Is Hell and (most relevant to this conversation) he’s the host of the podcast Not Lost. It's a travel show Brendan started after the end of both his long-term relationship and his decade-long radio show, The Dinner Party Download.Brendan "found himself on the wrong side of 35, unemployed, single, and with most of his friends ensconced in relationships and parenthood or both." So he took a microphone, hit the road with friends, and his adventure became Not Lost. The premise of the show is Brendan and his friends trying to get invited to a dinner party with locals in each city they visit.We talk about how he made the show and I picked out a few clips that particularly landed with me, including the balance between sharing vulnerably and holding back, how our trauma impacts our openness to relationships, and th

This week’s episode is part two of my conversation with visual artist Kimmy Quillin. In this second half of our nearly-three-hour Zoom conversation, we talk more about her process—how she creates conditions for creativity, incorporating chance in her work, and what she calls intentional chaos. We end the episode with questions I gathered from a bunch of our mutual friends to ask her.Kimmy is one of my favorite painters whose work can be seen on the walls of Good Move in Brooklyn (whose founder, Jules, has been on the podcast twice) as well as in Elle, Domino Magazine, and at Uprise Art. She presented her solo show Many Moons at Chinatown Soup in November 2019 (I was there) and at Spite Haus in January 2020. I was excited to talk to her and this conversation exceeded my expectations.In Part 1, we talked about coffee routines and being heliotropic, her influences from her Wisconsin roots and New York City, the realities of living as an artist, and how she takes care of herself through it all. If you haven't lis