Iterations

Before we get started, I want to let you know that we’re making some changes to the show. In addition to bringing back Process Driven, these conversations with Sean will go to monthly, rather than twice a month and my goal is to bring in a different co-host for at least one additional episode per month. All of the episodes will still be part of my main podcast feed, which is now called Jeffery Saddoris: Almost Everything since I’ve got some things in the works that will not be a part of the main feed. If you have any questions or comments, feel free to reach out. In this last episode of 2022, we’re talking about the year ahead and some of the changes each of us want to make, both in terms of what we do and how we do it.LINKSRichard MosseMaria LaxStefan Sagmeister - Made You LookCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: @seantuckCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYouTub

This is the sound of me writing. Specifically, it’s the sound of me writing this Iteration. I’m using a Slate Gray Pilot Prera fountain pen with a medium nib, loaded with my favorite ink: Namiki IC-100 in blue/black. While I typically sketch and jot down ideas on paper, I do most of my actual writing in an app called Bear, which I’ve used for a number of years. But for the past several weeks, I’ve been going back and forth on getting a new iPad to replace my aging second-generation iPad Mini along with an Apple Pencil so that I could potentially retain the feeling of analog writing on a digital device. What I found is that while the mechanics of writing on the iPad might be the same, the feel isn’t even close—and that’s where it falls apart for me.CONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed. You can also find a written version of

For several years in a row starting when I was in junior high, my dad used to take me to the Point Mugu Naval Air Show. Military aviation was something we had in common and the Point Mugu show was always terrific. That was the show I first saw the F-14, the F-15 (which, at the time was the only jet that could actually accelerate on a vertical climb), the F-16, and even the SR-71, which is still my favorite aircraft of all time. Anyway, one particular year—and this might have been around 1979 or 1980, as we walked around the show, we overheard people talking about the Harrier, which neither one of us had ever heard of.CONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed. You can also find a written version of Iterations on Substack.MUSICMusic For Workplaces by Jeffery Saddoris

In this episode, we’re picking up at the tail end of a conversation Sean and I were having about money and value and how that relates to art and it reminded Sean of an interview he was listening to with Steven Fry, which helps to set the tone for the rest of the show. Pay particular attention to the beautiful bit of wisdom Sean drops at about the 30-minute mark. LINKSDiary of a CEO: https://stevenbartlett.com/the-diary-of-a-ceo-podcast/The Judge: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1872194/CONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more direc

The other day, I was sitting in our sunroom watching a video interview with Simon Sinek, who I absolutely love. If you aren’t familiar with Simon’s work, there are a ton of terrific videos on his YouTube channel—I might start with Why is Your Origin Story or Be the Idiot—and I can’t recommend his book, Start With Why, highly enough. It’s a deceptively simple question that I think many of us have a hard time answering when it comes to talking about the things we make or want to make. Anyway, I was watching this video and in it Simon was telling a story about Phil Knight, the co-founder of Nike. Basically, using running as a metaphor, Phil was illustrating the meaning behind their famous “JUST DO IT" slogan and how it has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with trying. As Simon said, “when Nike is at their best, they celebrate the ones who do, not the ones who win.” When the video finished, Adrianne, who was sitting at her computer across the room, asked, "do you know about the knowing-do

Over the past month or so, I’ve been seeing a lot of Quentin Tarantino clips pop up in my YouTube feed because about a month ago, I clicked on a video of Quentin being interviewed by Charlie Rose. When it finished, the algorithm showed me another, which I also clicked on. Since the algorithm got what it wanted, it started showing me more clips and occasionally I would click, and here we are a month or so later with me having watched about a dozen clips and interviews with Quentin Tarantino. Full disclosure, I like some of Tarantino’s movies, but it’s his approach to making movies that I find fascinating. Recently he was quoted as saying that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was his best movie, to which someone on Twitter almost immediately replied “He’s wrong. It was Pulp Fiction.” I can’t say I disagree. But regardless of what you or I think of any of his movies, he makes exactly what he wants to see and if we don’t like it, that’s on us, not him. He was very clear about that fact in one of the interviews I wat

In this episode, we’re talking about making the work that means the most to us as the maker and how sometimes, we need to take a step back in order to see it. We also talk about a terrific new documentary about the visual effects wizards at Industrial Light & Magic.LINKSTom Jones Tiny Desk Concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qfw6pon9tAJoshua Jackson Modern Paradox: https://www.joshkjack.com/modern-paradoxDavid Carson (TED Talk): https://www.ted.com/talks/david_carson_design_and_discoveryChris Ashworth: https://ashworth.workRay Gun magazine: https://www.highsnobiety.com/p/ray-gun-music-style-magazine/Light and Magic: https://disneyplusoriginals.disney.com/show/light-and-magicYoung Sherlock Holmes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOsxXi-tu_UWater tendril for Abyss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAFIUuFRkBAJohn Carpenter's The Thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ftmr17M-a4Matte paintings in Star Wars https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/01/the-amazing-matte-paintings-from-star-warsand-their-creat

When we moved into our house in 2016, I told Adrianne how much I couldn’t wait to convert two of the downstairs spaces into studios. “Day one,” I told her. As is often the case with home projects, things don’t always go to plan and day one is now year six and the spaces, while functional, still aren’t done. LINKShttps://blogstatic.io/https://transistor.fm/CONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.MUSICMusic For Workplaces by Jeffery Saddoris

In this episode, we’re continuing to talk about living a creative life without allowing the algorithm dictate what you see and, more importantly, what you make. We also talk about the often repetitive nature of storytelling in cinema and cite a few exceptions.LINKSCasey NeistatAIAIAI HeadphonesAdam Savage - Golden Book of Amun-RaPropstore AuctionThe Mummy (Trailer)Amazon Rings of PowerNerd of the RingsIllustrated SilmarillionThe Peripheral (IMDb)Under the Banner of Heaven (IMDb)Marc Maron Andrew GarfieldScandinavian Dramas (IMDb)Joseph CampbellThe RevenantCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rat

The other day, for the first five or so minutes of one of our daily live walk and talks though the forest, I spoke what may have been the most coherent and compelling rant-slash-sermon I’ve ever done but, for some reason, my mic wasn’t working on my phone and none of it went out to the listeners.LINKSMaking Waves The Sound of 007CONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICMusic For Workplaces by Jeffery Saddoris

In this episode, Sean and I are talking about the importance of finding your own creative voice and producing the work you want to see in the world, regardless of what you think an audience wants to see from you. LINKSRadiolabThis American LifeSerialAdnan Syed is FreeMy paintingsMarshall MathersCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following link to get

In this episode, Sean and I are talking about what we can do when it’s time to take a step back to regroup and/or refocus, either on our own or with the help of a professional. Plus, this is the last weekly episode of Deep Natter for a while as each of us takes time to get other projects underway.LINKSIzotope RX10The OG App on the App StoreAd-free Instagram client ‘OG App’ taken down, and not by Meta10 Reasons Vero is Slapping Instagram (w/ Peter McKinnon)Vero is Worse Than InstagramSean Tucker: Artists Should be CompetitiveCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you

Full disclosure, there are parts of this episode where Sean and I get a little heavy. There are simply so many things going on in the world that it can sometimes feel overwhelming, leaving us really struggling with what to do and wondering which way to turn. We also talk about the renewed interest in Vero as a potential alternative to Instagram for photographers, especially in light of some of the recent changes on Instagram that prioritize reels over images. I think it’s an interesting conversation all around and I hope you enjoy it.LINKSZencastrRiverside.fmTed GioiaKenny GioiaSamuel Pepys DiaryThe Rest is Politics podcastElon Musk’s NeuralinkKen FolletBen Horne YouTubeVeroCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery

Being creative is hard. Really hard. Actually, let me rephrase that. Being creative isn’t so bad. In fact, if I’m honest about it, the being comes pretty easily for me. As my wife and most of my friends will attest, I have ideas all the time, sometimes great ideas. The ideas themselves aren’t the problem. It’s what to do with them that’s the problem. The doing is where I get stuck, specifically on the business side of the doing. LINKSBen Proudfoot (Twitter)The Greatest Chef in the WorldCONNECT WITH MEWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisSUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICMusic For Workplaces by Jeffery Saddoris

Failure is something that virtually every creative has faced at some point. In this episode, Sean and I unpack some of the differences between real and perceived failure, and some ways we can respond to each of them without simply giving up. We also talk about the importance of trusting our skills and abilities, especially when we might feel like we’re in over our heads. LINKSDavid Bowie - China GirlSpielberg documentaryThe FablemansCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photographyTwitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in this

In this episode, Sean and I are talking about pivoting when a project just isn’t taking off or going in the direction we want it to. Sean also shares some thoughts on revisiting and possibly even updating a past project, inspired in part by conversations he’s had with people in his photographic community.CONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Line by DuffmusiqMusic featured in this episode is licensed from Artlist, which is a terrific music licensing platform for YouTubers and filmmakers. Use the following l

In this episode, Sean and I geek out a little over lighting and talk a bit about how shallow depth of field can often be the low hanging fruit in photography. We also talk about a few examples of our favorite film editing that refuses to simply hold the audience by the hand to explain everything that’s happening in the narrative.LINKS24mm: Focal Length Series35mm: Focal Length Series50mm: Focal Length Series85mm: Focal Length SeriesBaz Luhrmann’s ElvisEdge of TomorrowPharrell Williams - Freedom13 Minutes to the MoonIteration 65: When the Teacher DisappearsCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rat

In this episode, on the back of Sean’s recent meetup in London, we’re talking about the social energy it often requires for introverts to engage with other people and the toll simply being out in the world can sometimes take. We also talk about the importance of producing work that allows an audience to meet and engage with both the maker and the work where they are.LINKSThe Warhol DiariesStuart WaplingtonDeep Natter w/Ben HorneSimon BaxterOfficial site of Stephen FryCONNECT WITH SEANWebsite: http://seantucker.photography  Twitter: @seantuck  Instagram: @seantuck  YouTube: Sean TuckerCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICHigh Li

In this episode, I’m joined by large format landscape photographer Ben Horne and we’re talking about some of the challenges and considerations around creating products for an audience and why print still and maybe always will be better than looking at work on a screen. LINKSDaniel Milnor: https://shifter.mediaTyndell: https://www.tyndellphotographic.comAndrew Baruffi: https://www.andrewbaruffiphoto.comMixam: https://mixam.co.ukDaido Tokyo: https://www.moriyamadaido.com/en/bibliography/CONNECT WITH BENWebsite: https://benhorne.com  Twitter: @benhorne  Instagram: @benhorne  YouTube: Ben HorneCONNECT WITH JEFFERYWebsite: https://jefferysaddoris.com  Twitter: @jefferysaddoris  Instagram: @jefferysaddorisYou can also connect with both of us by sending an email to deepnatter@gmail.com.SUBSCRIBESubscribe to Jeffery Saddoris: Everything in your favorite podcast app to get every show I release in one feed.SUPPORTLeave a review or a rating wherever you listen, or you can DONATE to support the shows more directly.MUSICH

Last week, I took the train into DC to visit the National Gallery of Art, which is by far one of my favorite places in the city. Regardless of the show or exhibition, I always come home energized and inspired. Sometimes, I’ll even go down just to sit in the “Rothko Room” for an hour — and I know the official name is Tower 1 of the East Building, but I think Rothko Room sounds much more poetic. On this particular trip, I was there to see The Double, a show that a friend who works at the gallery called “life changing” — which is saying something considering she’s one of the top paper conservators in the world and has seen some pretty incredible work over the course of her career. The show really is fantastic and features work by some of my favorite artists, including Frank Stella and Robert Rauschenberg; and it begins with a pair of American flags by Jasper Johns displayed opposite Double America by Glenn Ligon.LINKSNational Gallery of ArtRothko RoomThe DoubleDouble AmericaRothko: The Color Field PaintingsEpiso