Elephant Talk

Jacob was four years into his transition when he and Jo met, and fairly new to being read as male. Jo had been out as a queer woman. Their story of courtship, marriage and family has the commonalities of what many consider a typical relationship. But underneath it all are layers of insecurity, apprehension and distress. In the second half of the show, Andy talks with Carole Clements, a professor and practitioner of contemplative psychology. They discuss the evolving vocabulary and terms regarding gender and identity.