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Welcome to Beyond the Breach. A new series about how individuals and organizations manage change – with a focus on technology’s impact on humanity and the nature of cybersecurity risk. The show is hosted by Jonathan Reiber, a writer and security strategist who served as a Speechwriter and Chief Strategy Officer for Cyber Policy in the Obama Defense Department, and co-hosted by D.J. Skelton, a combat veteran, retired Army officer, founder of Paradox Sports, and outdoorsman. In each episode we explore lessons from public service and the past to inform the leadership and management challenges of our digital present. We also talk about life in the outdoors -- the trips we and our guests have made into the wilderness, the places we've walked and seen, and the trips we will take in the future. Our goal: help humanity to adapt and flourish in the digital age. In each episode we interview leaders to learn about their journeys and how they’ve helped society manage cybersecurity risk. We draw on our experience helpi

How and why do humans take action against short-term threats, like terrorism, but struggle to respond when threats are more abstract, like climate change or cybersecurity? In this episode Jonathan heads to New York City and talks to Jason Healey, Senior Research Scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs, about how humanity has responded to climate change and cyber threats. Jonathan and Brandon Kirk Williams, a researcher at Illumio, open by introducing the thinking of Harvard psychologist Daniel Gilbert on cognition. Jay then offers proposals for cybersecurity risk management, drawing from his experience in the White House and working on global risk management at Goldman Sachs. Additional Reading Daniel Gilbert on short-term vs. long-term threats https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5530483 https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-jul-02-op-gilbert2-story.html Jason Healey, A Fierce Domain: Conflict in Cyberspace, 1986-2012. https://www.amazon.com/Fie

How do organizations make time for strategy in a world of risk? In this episode Jonathan and DJ talk about the importance of building “strategic habits” in work and life, building on their years of public service and non-profit leadership. Jonathan introduces listeners to the concept of the “three-day effect,” an idea developed by the psychologist David Strayer and popularized by the writer Florence Williams, about how extended time in outdoors and away from your devices can help individuals to focus on their strategic goals – and come back more invigorated. Then D.J. and Jonathan talk about the nature of strategic habit for individual and organizational planning, reflecting on DJ’s combat service and over 21 years in the U.S. Army and Jonathan’s time advising leaders in the Office of the Secretary of Defense and running strategic initiatives across the Pentagon and with the White House. Additional Reading Robert Kabacoff, “Develop strategic thinkers throughout your organization,” Harvard Business Review,

How can scenario planning and stories help leaders to think about the future, plan for it, and invest to mitigate risk? In this episode Jonathan and DJ talk with Jesse Goldhammer, Managing Director of Deloitte’s West Coast Cybersecurity practice and one of the world’s leading scenario thinkers, about the role of scenarios and futures thinking in cybersecurity and national security planning. Scenario planning began as a practice in the 1970s with Royal Dutch Shell following the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Companies (OPEC) crisis that caught oil companies off-guard. After the market was disrupted, Shell began to invest in scenarios to get ahead of future risks -- and companies and governments have adopted the practice ever since, using scenarios to think about everything from technology adoption to cybersecurity to the future of work to the nature of warfare. Additional Reading Peter Schwartz, The Art of the Long View: Planning for the Future in an Uncertain World, Crown Business Report, 1996, https: